peroni
7:10 Tue Nov 3
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Vexed 6:46 Tue Nov 3
I'm afraid you're just plain wrong Vexed. ISIS hate apostates far more than they hate Christians, and they view all Shia as apostates. They see us as ripe for conversion and would rather convert us than kill us. Killing us is obviously a very attractive second option for them, but they want their caliphate in Sham far more than expanding in the West. They think the end-days is coming before they'll take over the world. In their twisted view, they are trying to save us from eternal damnation - it's absolutely mental
All religions are fucked up at their core, but very few Christians interpret the Testament as it's written. ISIS refuse to accept any interpretation of the Koran other than word for word is where the main problem lies. However, as a rule, the vast majority of Muslims want Sharia law, and a huge proportion of British Muslims want it.
The problem lies firmly at the feet of Islam,
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riosleftsock
7:03 Tue Nov 3
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You need to get a better understanding of Islam.
It is a religion based on war.
When they say its a religion of peace, this is true. But a cursory glance through their literature tells us that peace is achieved once all of their enemies (non-islam) have been killed or have converted. They have a lot of enemies by the way. Once the Christians, jews, atheists etc have been removed, they will then turn on each other; sunni vs shia, both against allawi, then Sunni sects turn against each other and Shia sects will turn against each other depending on which pilgrimages they make and what prophets they admire.
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Vexed
7:03 Tue Nov 3
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That just proves my point though doesn't it?
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WHU(Exeter)
6:59 Tue Nov 3
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They have attacked those easier targets though and it was purely based on religion, one of their first acts was to attempt mass genocide of the Yazidis.
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ironsofcanada
6:54 Tue Nov 3
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Again, the Islamic State killed 35 at a university in Kabul yesterday.
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Lee Trundle
6:53 Tue Nov 3
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Vexed 6:13 Tue Nov 3
"I'm not suggesting it was a 'false flag op'"
Then can I ask what you meant by suggesting this?
Vexed 1:21 Tue Nov 3
" I wouldn't put it past their bent security services having something to do with this in some way"
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Vexed
6:52 Tue Nov 3
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riosleftsock 6:49 Tue Nov 3
Might have something to do with their neighbour they dont get on with rios son. Is it that too fucking obvious?
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riosleftsock
6:49 Tue Nov 3
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Islamists attack the host society pretty much wherever they go.
Mumbai is not in the west, they suffered one of the biggest. I could quote loads of islamic terror attacks that were not perpetrated in or against the west.
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Vexed
6:46 Tue Nov 3
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Peroni, I'm sure you'd agree that using religion as a control mechanism is a different matter than actually attacking people based on their religion right?
I'm arguing that religion is less important when it comes to who they attack. They attack the West first. There are many easier targets if they were attacking solely based on religion. The facts entirely back this up as well as these things called books. You should try them.
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peroni
6:29 Tue Nov 3
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Vexed
"Most of the people perpetrating such acts are already wronguns long before they get involved with these groups.
That statement pretty much sums it up, but actually counters your point. There are a lot of disenchanted kids in the world under socioeconomic pressures, but they only slaughter innocent people with the trigger of Islam.
Then you say "The groups use religion to control them". What group would that be? It's ISIS isn't it, and they are using Islam to control these kids.
"The people doing the shooting dont care about religion. Half of them only converted a year before." Exactly - they weren't murderous before they converted, but then they were and they really do believe they are going to paradise for carrying out Jihad.
"They are wronguns that are susceptible to being controlled" - yeah, by ISIS and their interpretation of Islam,
So I think maybe you've read the same books as others between their car wash shifts, it's just you haven't understood what you've read.
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Glenn Rodent
6:27 Tue Nov 3
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Pipe down Vexed.
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Fo the Communist
6:21 Tue Nov 3
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Peroni. Will happily give that a go, mate.
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Vexed
6:13 Tue Nov 3
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Lee Trundle 5:21 Tue Nov 3
A point that comes from a more knowledgable place than yours is not automatically bollocks.
I'm not suggesting it was a 'false flag op' (it couldn't be a false flag op anyway, but thats another conversation), I'm suggesting it's abnormal for this sort of thing to be going on in a place like Vienna. It is.
If these terrorists are as indiscriminate as all the less well-read people on this thread seem to think, Places like Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Italy etc would have been hammered over the last twenty years. They are much easier targets than their preferred targets like the UK, US, France, Germany, Belgium etc. Predominantly christian. But they haven't been.
Why would that be? It's because they dont represent 'The West' to them. So not indiscriminate at all.
Most of the people perpetrating such acts are already wronguns long before they get involved with these groups. The groups use religion to control them. The people doing the shooting dont care about religion. Half of them only converted a year before. They are wronguns that are susceptible to being controlled. If it wasn't islam it would be something else. There are studies on this. Fuck ups. There are of course lots of different Islamonutter groups out there, not all of which have the same goals or even agree with each other. Not sure if anyone has claimed this one yet.
As I say, there are a lot of books out there and some of you might even manage to read some of them in-between your shifts at the car wash. Come back when you've got something intelligent to say.
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peroni
6:12 Tue Nov 3
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Yeah, Stewie is correct Fo, I'm not talking about the likes of yourself or Chill. It's the new regressive lefties that are so blinded by their faux-outrage and virtue-signalling that they're blinded to a real, tangible problem.
I will make a point of reading the book you recommend.. you do the same with the one I recommended.
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Fo the Communist
6:08 Tue Nov 3
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Irons
The point I was making- maybe badly - was one against the use of broad-brush attributions to which your post also speaks.
Stewie.
Moreover, I can't wait to see Chill's reaction to his politics being compared to mine, It wont be pretty.
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ironsofcanada
5:56 Tue Nov 3
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Fo the Communist 5:47 Tue Nov 3
Depends on which spectrum you are using, actual liberal (not the American social liberal nor neo-liberal for different reasons) going back to Shaftesbury, Locke and Mills etc. is very right of centre. Personally freedom including in regards to religion over power of the state to make people be good often through religion.
And it is enshrined (whether they follow it or not) in the American constitution based on the some of the type of thinkers mentioned above.
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stewie griffin
5:51 Tue Nov 3
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nitpicking slightly, Fo.
There's probably only you & Chill on here that are genuinely of the left. Peroni is taling about the modern day 'left'. The labour party supporters if you will.
Who are the least tolerant people on the planet.
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Fo the Communist
5:47 Tue Nov 3
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peroni 5:22 Tue Nov 3
Not sure the left really argues that, mate. It usually make the case - as does the right - that terrorism is a perversion of Islam.
For what its worth, ideals like the separation of religion from state affairs tends to flow from left-wing ideology.
And some of the best denouncements of Islam and the blind-eye culture it attracts from the liberal west are argued from a left-wing perspective. Check out The Fallout by Andrew Anthony or You Can't Read This Book by Nick Cohen.
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ironsofcanada
5:47 Tue Nov 3
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Swiss. 5:40 Tue Nov 3
Part of his quote
Another part “Yesterday’s attack was clearly an Islamist terror attack,” Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said. “It was an attack out of hatred — hatred for our fundamental values, hatred for our way of life, hatred for our democracy in which all people have equal rights and dignity.”
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Mike Oxsaw
5:42 Tue Nov 3
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Yeah, but Austria's in the EAST, so what the fuck does he know about it?
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Swiss.
5:40 Tue Nov 3
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As the Austrian chancellor said "The nation was engaged not in a battle between Christians and Muslims, he stressed, but "between civilisation and barbarism".
A voice or rational not like most of the Muslim haters on here.
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